Rudder options?

Kayak Jack · Post by **Kayak Jack** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:23 pm

To my chagrin, Verlen decided that a single blade paddle and rudder was the most effective and efficient on his Sea Winds. Myself, I wouldn't give two hoots in hell for either one. Give me a double ender and a clean boat and I'm much happier.

Now, the fact that Verlen paddled further than any other known human being - including UP the Grand Canyon - has little to do with it.

hairymick · Post by **hairymick** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:39 pm

To my chagrin, Verlen decided that a single blade paddle and rudder was the most effective and efficient on his Sea Winds

Now, the fact that Verlen paddled further than any other known human being - including UP the Grand Canyon

IMHO, The legend, Mr KRUGER, was absolutely correct.

More and more expedition sea kayakers are discovering the truth behind what Mr KRUGER pioneered and are experimenting with, and moving towards bent shaft, outrigger style single blades. Allmost as fast as a double, with significantly less effort and stress on the paddler = longer distances covered in a day = a more effecient paddlng system.

Southwind lends itself very well to both the double and single blade. Add a rudder and a good single blade to the equasion and it is a paddling machine that really has to be experienced to be fully appreciated.

Post by **jem** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:29 pm

From what I understand, it was Verlen's position that using a single blade required less total energy over long trips than using a double blade.

Kayak Jack · Post by **Kayak Jack** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:52 pm

Just cause he's right doesn't alleviate my prejudice.

Oldsparkey · Post by **Oldsparkey** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:18 am

Kayak Jack wrote:Just cause he's right doesn't alleviate my prejudice.

Ya can lead a Mule to water but you sure can't make him drink.

As much as I hate to say this ... I'm no fan of rudders , either , I think it should be the skill of the paddler that controls the boat. My choice is a good single blade paddle but at times I do play the wind mill route and use a double.
Unless it is a double with both blades in the water at the same time , but those are called ores and are used in a different style of a boat then we make.

Chuck.

FlaMike · Post by **FlaMike** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:09 pm

Just as a reminder, I said this in my opening post:

I'm not all that interested in using a rudder while just paddling, but when fishing, I can see where one could come in very handy.

Debate on the subject of single vs. double paddle really doesn't enter into it, as having to use either while actually fishing is very awkward, even on a good day.

Trouble is, now you've got me thinking about the "what kind of paddle" question!

So far, I've tried a single-blade paddle with my Pirogue, and didn't like it one bit. I had no trouble paddling a canoe in the past with a single-blade, but never got the hang of using one with my Pirogue.

I like paddling around in it with the double-blade I made out of a pair of those Wally-World singles, but will confess to have been harboring thoughts about buying an "off-the-shelf" kayak paddle.

Now, I guess I'll have to look into making a bent-shaft paddle and giving that a go. (For the new boats.)

Thanks guys, I was running out of complications!

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL

Kayak Jack · Post by **Kayak Jack** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:14 pm

Hey, Mike San. If you don't like a paddle after you buy it, you can always use it to take pizzas out of the oven!

hairymick · Post by **hairymick** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:12 pm

Heya Mike,

Paddling preferences aside,

I really like the single blade in my SW and pirogue for fishing. There is no need to worry about finding a place to put it while playing a fish - just poke it up the bow out of the road.

Also, I find the single blade creates less disturbance when sneaking round in stealth mode (less likely to disturb the fish sight fishing)

FlaMike · Post by **FlaMike** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:02 pm

Mick,

How then, would you describe the ideal, single-blade paddle for your Southwind? A longer, narrower blade, or a shorter, wider one? What about one of those funny-looking, "bent" paddles?

Just wondering about it, as even though my Southwind isn't being built for the extreme shallows, it will being seeing some fairly skinny water. And sometimes, this skinny water will be sitting over a hard, rocky, oyster-covered bottom. This is why I was thinking that a single paddle for my use might be one with a blade that is kind of wide, but not too long.

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL

hairymick · Post by **hairymick** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:28 am

Mike,

I am still trying to find the ideal single blade. I am a newcomer to the whole single blade thing.

Sea kayaker magazine recently did an article on the bent shaft, outrigger style canoe paddle in use in an expedition sea kayak. I think this type of blade would better suit our needs than the traditional long narrow touring blade but I don't know for sure. The problem with the touring blade in shallow water is gaining adequate purchase to propel the boat properly.

I am still trying to build a bent shaft job with an appearence worthy of posting here. It is harder to do well than it looks but when I work out an effective and easy process, Will post details here. So far my bent laminations look like crap and I am not happy with them at all.