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interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm
by jem
I emailed with the owner (well former owner... he's retired) and we shared some pretty good conversation about boat design.

http://placidboats.com/index1.html

These hull are interesting in that they have a unique "shouldered" tumblehome. Different than like the JEM Sasquatch in that the hull beam tucks in but then the gunnels go back vertical.


You see the effect in this picture.

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Kinda cool. This feature is common on some white-water canoes.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:53 pm
by preacher
I can hear the gears turning . . .

Sounds like a stripper being altered and redesigned . . .

That would be cool on one of the SOTs.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:25 pm
by hairymick
Matt,

Is this do-able in Stitch and glue?? probably more important, is it worth it?

I would love to have a crack at a multi panel S&G canoe similar to that one, but I think the tumblehome panel with gunwhales as in Sasquach would probably achieve a similar result but with much less work.

Ya gonna draw one up? :P :twisted: - dare ya :P

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:26 pm
by Jimmy W
I happened across that site a couple of weeks ago. I sure would like to try a FlashFire or WildFire, but that is a lot of money.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:10 pm
by jem
hairymick wrote:
Ya gonna draw one up? :P :twisted: - dare ya :P
I did draw one. Even prototyped something close about a year ago that turned out with funky gunwales so I never finished it off. Was looking at it in the shed today.

I might replace the gunwales and try to sell it for a couple hundred bucks to buy some new building materials.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:16 pm
by jem
Back to the question of it is worth it?

I really don't know. I've debated this. Supposedly the shouldered effect provides more "knuckle" room than a tapered-in (tumblehome) panel like on the Sasquatch. And I can see how it would. That's why that shape is popular with the white-water canoe crowd.

The gunwales would be easier to install and it would be easier to hang seat from the gunwales.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:40 am
by Oldsparkey
Bell Canoes does the same thing with theirs. In fact when I looked at the picture at the top of the post for a short time I thought it was a Bell Canoe.

Chuck.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:10 am
by jem
Oldsparkey wrote:Bell Canoes does the same thing with theirs. In fact when I looked at the picture at the top of the post for a short time I thought it was a Bell Canoe.

Chuck.
One of the designers at the company designed for Bell at one time.

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:30 am
by jbo_c
I don't really see the advantage.

Besides, look at all the commotion that guy has made in the water and it doesn't look like he's going that "fast". I know that isn't what the original question was, but that makes me wonder if the design isn't flawed somehow from the water line down.

Jbo

Re: interesting pack canoes

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:40 am
by jem
Their canoes are reported and reviewed to be very fast. Designer is Dave Yost who has quite a reputation.

If you watch their videos, the paddler is always trying to move at top speed. So maybe that's why the wake up front.

Not 100% sure, though.